In Nomine List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
by Elizabeth McCoy, List Admin
Last amended 9/11/2004 (v0.4.11)
You must read all of these rules before you post to the In Nomine Mailing List.
Posting constitutes acceptance of these rules. If you do not accept these rules,
unsubscribe from the list now.
Before you do anything else, you will read this.
The In Nomine Mailing List
The In Nomine Mailing List
How does the list work?
(Note: Majordomo is no longer hosting the In Nomine Mailing List. The INML is now being served
by the Mailman software on sjgames.com itself, and mail sent to
firstname.lastname@example.org will no longer reach the list.
<in-nomine-list> is a mailing list managed by Mailman, which manages several other mailing lists and
resides on the sjgames.com servers. You can find information about <in-nomine-list>
,including how to subscribe and where
to find archived posts.
To subscribe to <in-nomine-list>, use the subscription form on the page linked in the above paragraph;
you have the option at this time of receiving posts in digest mode. In digest mode, instead of receiving posts
as they are sent to Mailman, you will receive a compilation of posts sent - at least once a day, but possibly
more often if a large number of posts comes through in a single 24-hour period.
To post to <in-nomine-list>, send your mail to this address:
<in-nomine-list @ sjgames . com>
Remove the spaces in the name before sending the email, or it will bounce! Use this address even if you are
subscribed to the digest.
You may have noticed that incoming posts have "IN>" added to their subject line. This is not something
that you need to do; Mailman prefixes the subject line of each incoming post with IN> automatically.
should be aware that <in-nomine-list> is a closed-post mailing list; what
this means is that in order to post to the list, you must already have the exact address from which you want
to post subscribed to the list, or your post will be bounced. This means that if you have more than one
address from which you wish to post - or if you have an address that changes, such as:
<foo @ college . edu>
occasionally changing to
<foo @ server . college . edu>
when you send mail...
then you need to subscribe all of these addresses. On the
, at the bottom, is a link
to subscriber options. This includes the option to not receive mail from the mailing list at all! If you
have trouble, please email
<in-nomine-list-owner @ sjgames . com>
who will be happy to assist you.
In the event that you want to unsubscribe from the INML, you can do so using the same
What is the purpose of the In Nomine List?
Good PR. Really. It is a free service of Steve Jackson Games to its online customers who are fans of
(just like our website). It allows the fans to have relatively quick response and
support from official SJ Games NetReps. SJ Games 'owns' the list and 'manages' it and 'moderates' it.
What do you mean, 'moderates' it? Are my constitutional rights to
free speech being impinged here?
You got it. Actually, free speech does not exist in a private forum such as this; just like you can't walk
into a classroom or boardroom and just say what ever you want no matter how disruptive. Here's a soapbox
and there's the corner of 1st and Main -- you have all the free speech you want there, not here. For those
who've ever participated in a busy un
moderated online forum, you'll appreciate the moderation here.
Generally, there isn't much that's off limits.
So, what is off limits?
- Being off-topic. People signed up to discuss In Nomine, not someone's opinion of today's
- Sharing with us the latest joke list, even if religious in nature, is also a no-no. Now, if it deals with
angels and demons, then, yes, it is on topic.
- Flaming. That's 'netspeak' for personal attacks. This is absolutely forbidden and will get you kicked off
the list faster than an Ofanite on speed. You may criticize the content of another person's posts
(and adult criticism is more than name-calling the content of another person's post -- we don't simply say
'that's stupid!' -- we give reasons why we think that, in our opinion, that's not so clever). But you may
never call another person 'stupid' or talk about what character defects they may have that may have led
them to what you think is such a wrong idea. The character defects of their relatives are also off limits.
If a flamewar (2+ people flaming) erupts, the List Admin may well decide to simply kick everyone involved
off, no matter who started it! So don't get involved.
(Flaming White Wolf is also a sure way to get into a non-useful thread. Please don't do it. Also, don't
flame other people's religions. There are many different faiths on this list, including some you may think
of as 'fringe' or even 'cult.')
- Vulgarities. Vulgarity that is hard-core, gratuitous, inflammatory, immature, etc... will be stomped on,
hard. If you don't know the difference, better to not use it at all.
- "I hate In Nomine" posts. Everyone is free to criticize any aspect of the game, but if
you hate it, get off the list -- it's for the fans of In Nomine, not for troublemakers.
And if you're having trouble getting unsubscribed, the List Manager will be happy to do it for you. While
there are occasional comparisons and contrasts between the French In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas (INS/MV)
versus the SJGames version (IN/SJG), a post that states basically 'INS/MV is much better; IN/SJG sucks' is
perilously close to this category of Forbidden Topics. Be warned.
- Role-playing. Funny how that's not allowed, eh? But this is a list for discussion of the game,
not role-playing it. Taking on an In Nomine character for a few posts is fine to help illustrate
that personality type. But extended role-playing is forbidden, especially when going back and forth between
just two or a few people.
- What Good In Nomine Music Would Be / In Nomine Movie Casting. Both of these
topics ("Hey, what would be good music for me to play?" and "What actor would you have play [various
Superiors]?") have been done to death. If you are interested in these topics, you may ask for suggestions
in private email and when you have the results, post the URL. Do not post the actual results.
- Anything non-ASCII. There are no real, universal email standards and many people
are still operating on straight ASCII email systems. So, no MIME, HTML, binhex, Base 64, uuencoded,
multi-part, file-attachment, proprietary files, binaries, executable files, pictures, bitmaps, HTML, PGP,
ROTC-13, encrypted, Geekcoded, bearcoded, x-coded anything, or HTML. Just the text in normal typewriter
keyboard letters and symbols in unscrambled, 7-bit English. Anything else can be put up on your web page
and you can point us to it.
NOTE! Microsoft products (and maybe Netscape) will send HTML BY DEFAULT! You MUST configure
your emailer to send plain ascii text by default, to the list. The List Administrator will be happy to
help you with this - or, you can check this page.
To reiterate: not only does this mean "no HTML" but "no attachments" as well. Do not send pictures
to the list; put them on your website. Do not attach your text file to your
email; copy and paste it. If it's over 10k, chop it up. And don't think it's
limited to these examples: every attachment is off-limits.
(Go check your emailer's default state. Yes, now. Many emailers default to HTML or MIME and you
must go and fix it yourself. If you upgraded your emailer, the defaut will have changed back to evil. So
go check it.)
- Old topics. These aren't forbidden topics (such as the casting call, above), but they've been
discussed a lot and are likely to get little or no response the next time they come up, so please think
carefully before starting a thread with these -- the response is likely to be underwhelming. Here's a
page listing the current "Undead" topics and their major links. This page
currently includes Jack Chick URLs which may be of interest to list members (if you're into that kind
of thing), and will be added to whenever another thread gets everyone rolling their eyes and patiently
going through "That, Again."
What is 'spam'?
Spiced ham by Hormel (tm).
It is also useless and/or annoying text which Should Not Have Been. This includes repetitive information
- Needlessly requoting the message you are replying to. Never, ever, requote the message's Internet
pathway header or its .sig (the composer's clever message footer) -- unless you are commenting on what's
in there, in which case, you're probably off-topic anyway. *SNIP* (i.e., *delete*) the parts of the
message you are requoting which are not necessary for the point you are making in your new message. At
most, you only need to quote a few lines from anyone's post in order to add your own comments. The List
Admin can give you tips, if you need them.This is especially important for digest subscribers!
Quoting the whole digest will get you unsubscribed, probably without warning!
- A tagline in your .sig that is too long or never changes (even a Dilbert quote stops being funny after
the tenth reading -- let alone the hundredth). A message footer should really not be more than four lines.
If you want to say something about yourself, put in a one-line teaser and then point us to your web page
where you can indulge our desire to know everything about you. Take away those borders, we already know
that the info following your closing salutation is the footer.
Spam also includes advertisements that have nothing to do with In Nomine
. I don't care how
worthy the cause, you'll have to find some other venue to advertise your business or charity or political
cause (even if it has something to do with Internet freedom). This is a sure-fire boot off the list
I'll track down your ISP and tell them you spammed the list. Be warned.
If there are any announcements about viruses or Internet stuff or SJGAMES.COM stuff, your List Manager
will make the announcement after checking the validity of the announcement. Most of those
warnings passed on by ordinary folks are wrong
. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Don't fall for it. Any valid
warning will have a website where you can check the validity of the announcement. Anything that says,
'pass it on' is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. No valid Net authority would ever create a message like that.
Kill it where it stands. If you're not sure, send it to the List Manager first, and if deemed worthy, it
will be sent to the list. (If I see anything regarding the "Good Times Virus"... It's a fraud. If I'm the
first person to tell you about it, memorize this now: There is no such thing.
To reiterate, spam includes quoting the whole article and doing a 1-3 line reply that is usually
not much more than "Me too" or "I like that." Fine. Terrific. Send that in email.
Learn to clip your posts, or don't post. (This is something the digest people will really be annoyed by,
you see -- they've already gotten the original. They don't need the whole thing again.)
So, where can I say or do the things I want to do but am not allowed
on the List?
Private email -- flame away there, although you might start breaking telecommunication harassment laws
if you do -- be warned. Side conversations involving only a few people are most appropriate in private
The unmoderated Usenet newsgroups (but be warned, if you abuse their protocols, even though they are
unmoderated and much more lax than the List, they'll make your life a living Hell).
PBEM (Play By EMail) games and MUDS/MUSHES (see our website for links) are places where you can get
all the online In Nomine
role-playing you want.
Some things, like "Casting Calls" or "Music" threads, are not forbidden on the Pyramid message board.
Check out Pyramid
for subscription information.
Create your own lists: <in_nomine_sucks-l>, <in_nomine_WOD-l>, <in_nomine_role_playing-l>,
etc.... It'll be your dime -- do whatever you want there.
Who's who on the List?
Elizabeth McCoy, In Nomine
Line Editor, In Nomine
List Manager and Owner.
<owner-in-nomine-list @ sjgames.com>,<arcangel @ io.com>: <http://www.io.com/~arcangel>.
Various In Nomine
authors. Rather than listing them here, you can find out their names
by first visiting SJ Games' official In Nomine website
Iolanthe McCoy, the Impudite Princess of Cute -- also known as Elizabeth's baby daughter. (2/17/2000)
She is often responsible for her mother's typos.
How do we get questions answered officially?
Post 'em to the List. Please do not email Beth or an author privately. It is against SJ Games' policy
for staffers or NetReps to respond to private questions about the game -- otherwise, that is what we
would be doing all day long, and no other work would get done. However, we are reasonable people -- if
you're a GM and your players are on the list and a public question would spoil things -- go ahead and
email us. Just don't take advantage of it, please.
Never bother Steve Jackson about it! Though he revels in positive email, he is very, very busy.
Besides, he will forward any email questions about In Nomine
to Beth anyway, so save some
electrons and just post it on the list. If we
can't answer it, then
we'll ask SJ about it.
We'll pass on to SJ whatever you may be whinin... um, politely asking with regard to the future of
. Note that many times the answer will be, "You're not cleared for that
information." This is especially
true of questions like, "When's the next book coming out?"
Of course, there are some other things that should be emailed privately -- e.g., requests or questions
or praises that don't belong on the list. But if it's just a question about the game world or mechanics,
post only to the list, please.
Also, we hope that you please understand that there are some questions for which we have no answers.
Sometimes an answer requires making a new rule for the game, and we don't want to do that lightly and
cause unbalancing mechanics later on. Sometimes you'll be asking about details of the game world which
have not been decided upon, yet, and won't be until the authors assigned to that question completes
their work. Sometimes the answer is that there is
no official answer, and the GM must
that detail for him- or herself! (This is called "Canon Doubt and Uncertainty," or CDaU for short.)
In such cases, we might give you a rule of thumb, a temporary patch, or tell you to go with whatever
you like 'cause we just don't know right now. Thank you for your patience in this regard.
And, as always, if you're the GM and you don't like our ruling, do whatever you like without guilt -- in
fact, the other people on the list will probably pipe in with a lot of useful alternatives. We don't
have any In Nomine
Are answers from the NetRep official?
Definitely yes. Moreover, the NetRep will carefully note when an answer he gives is not official,
but just his opinion or a temporary ruling until the question is resolved by his Superiors.
And just who are his Superiors?
The Line Editor (Beth), the Managing Editor (Andrew Hackard), the Superior (we won't say if he's
an Archangel or Demon Prince) of Gaming, Steve Jackson, himself.
I'm shy... I'm afraid to ask something publicly and look silly -- what
should I do?
Well, realistically, first do what you can to avoid looking silly. If you have a question, first
read the official Errata
for In Nomine
someone asked your question already.
The next trick is to check the digests
you have Netscape, pick a keyword and do a "Find" though those.
If it's not there, then go ahead and ask. It's not a silly question to you, so who gives a
flaming feather what other people think! If someone does mock you, they'll be booted from the
list under the 'no flame' rule above. So, you'll be doing us a favor by forcing the Servitors
of Kobal out into the open where we can deal with them.
What's the policy on copyright?
U.S. law states that what you write is automatically copyrighted by you. No one can copy it or
redistribute it (and web-publishing and list-posting is
redistribution) without your
permission (with the exception of a few, restrictive 'fair use' cases).
However, sending your email to a mailing list owned by SJ Games, which you know will re-copy
it and send it out to over 300 subscribers sort of waters down your copyright protection --
but it does not eradicate it.
SJ Games keeps an archive of the digest on its website. Posting to the list assumes that's OK
with you -- if it isn't, get off the list.
You still own the copyright to what you wrote (your Angel of Death is still your own). But
SJ Games has the rights (since you sent it to a SJ Games-owned list) to make it available in
its compiled form (also known as Compilation Copyright). The messages on the list and its
compilation form at the SJ Games website may not be reproduced by any one for any reason
(except for personal use only -- you may not put them up on your own website or redistribute
them without permission).
SJ Games also supports and maintains the In Nomine
Collection (or INC for short).
Posts to the list, unless you clearly state
otherwise in the post, will be considered
for inclusion in the INC by its maintainer du jour. Posting to the list automatically gives the
maintainer(s) of the INC the right to incorporate that post. If you do not want
happen, clearly state this somewhere in your post. If you find something in the INC that you
don't want there, ask that it be removed, and it will be. (Be kind -- the maintainers of the
INC are volunteers, unpaid, who have lives. If it's not down in a few days, talk to the List
Administrator.) For best effect, state that you give permission to the INC maintainers to
consider the material for inclusion.
SJ Games owns the rights to the English version of In Nomine
-- the French Publishers
the French version, the German Publishers the German version, etc.... Distribution of translations of
any copyrighted text into any language is copyright violation. Don't do it.
You may compile large copies of the text for your own personal use if you are doing so from the books
purchased. If you do so from a friend's copy, you both are doing something illegal. If you
sell or give away your books, you must destroy your copies and/or compilations. Period.
Distributing any copyrighted material (and web publishing or List-posting counts as distributing) is
illegal. Period. Short quotes for the sake of comment or questions are OK -- that's covered by fair
use exceptions. But you must acknowledge the quoted text as someone else's copyright.
If the compilation you produce is a Great Idea, show it to us (the Line Editor) privately; we may
put it, with your permission, on our website to share with everyone. We're not unreasonable. We don't
want to hide our work or your work (at times), just protect our right to our copyrights; and our right
to profit from our copyrights.
SJ Games will protect its copyright using the full scope and power of the law. We have and we will.
Do not test us on this, you will lose. Do I sound harsh? Sorry, I have to. Copyright not protected is
copyright lost which is money lost which is our livelihood lost. Empty stomachs make for mean litigators.
Hey, did you steal my idea?
Absolutely not. Just because we both came up with Azrael, Angel of Death doesn't mean we stole it from
you. We both dipped into the same prior resource. And if you look at our Azrael, you'll see it's a
different character, though their powers might seem -- logically enough with both being angels of Death
-- similar. (Actually, we don't have any plans for an Angel of Death, yet, and maybe never will.)
When we see someone's work we like, we make an offer to buy it from them, or else we just don't use it.
However, we can't let ourselves be restrained from doing an Angel of X just because a fan also did an
Angel of X. Remember that the In Nomine
copyright, which includes all derivative works
(even In Nomine
characters), belongs to SJ Games. Does that mean that we own your Angel
of X that you wrote? No. Does that mean we could have told you "You may not publish (including web
and list publishing) any In Nomine
characters without our permission"? Oh, yes. We could
have. But we don't, 'cause that's just plain stupid to do in this industry.
However, if we get enough people annoying us and claiming that we're stealing their In Nomine
ideas (which we ain't), we just may have to stop allowing fan-created publication of
-derived copyrighted material. If you're afraid that we'll steal your ideas, keep
them to yourselves. You don't have a right to publish them -- we do. We allow you to publish and share
your creations 'cause we're Nice Guys. Don't make us turn and become like those Grumpy Guys.
I'd like to write In Nomine stuff for SJ Games, how do I go about it?
Read the In Nomine
Writers' Guidelines on the
. It basically boils down to:
- If you can't write grammatically correct English (with no misspellings), forget it. Period. If
you can't follow the Writers' Guidelines correctly, forget it. Period. (Sorry, but there are plenty
of good writers who can write technically well and follow instructions -- we'll go with them, instead.)
- If you're new to writing, submit an article to Pyramid magazine first (which means reading the
Pyramid Writers' Guidelines). If you're an established writer, submit your resume with what areas you'd
like to write about. In either case, follow the Guidelines in how to go about this, or else you'll be
screaming "I don't know how to follow directions!" People who do not follow the directions will be ignored,
at best, by the Line Editor.
If you want some private help with something, I, arcangel @ io.com, have been known to edit people's
stuff prior to official submission. I do this on my own time, and I may be busy with other things. Send me
some private email first, and we can talk.
- Know your In Nomine, including its mood and atmosphere. It's a difficult line to walk
in trying to add new stuff to the In Nomine universe without going off in the wrong directions.
Some people get it, some don't. C'est la Symphonie.
- Know your In Nomine plurals and terminology. There is a Stylesheet in the Writer's Guidelines.
Hey, all of a sudden, I'm not subscribed anymore (or, my subscription
to the list was changed to the digest)... what gives?
Argh. Your email account is the problem. Every piece of email that gets bounced back to Majordomo gets
bounced to me, the owner of the list. And every single day
there is at least
on the subscription list that 'goes bad'. That means about 30 bounced emails a day into my email box for
each bad account to which mail is undeliverable.
I'm sorry, but I can't cope with hundreds of bounced emails waiting for your account to return to normal.
I immediately unsubscribe any account which is undeliverable. If your email account is offline for
whatever reason, and your provider isn't storing messages for you, but is returning them, more than likely
you've been unsubscribed and will have to resubscribe yourself when your email account is returned to
normal. You can check out the digest archive at the website to see what you missed.
CompuServe and AOL members (and possibly other types of accounts) have email boxes which can get full
(usually a 100 email limit). CS and AOL will then return email. In this case, I may
switch you to the
digest version so that this can hopefully be avoided in the future. If you have a limit to pieces of
email your email box can hold, then you should
be on the digest version of any list or risk filling
your email box with just a day's absence from your computer.
Is there a size limit on posts?
The quick answer: 10 kilobytes.
The long answer: We prefer that you put large files (over 10K) on your website
and send the link
to the List. However, we realize that that's sometimes not possible. If
you absolutely must send your large file to the List, please break it up into smaller chunks
(under 10K; although you can send 10K of a 12K file one day and 2K the next, many find it easier to
break the file cleanly into halves or thirds or what have you) and post one chunk (and only one
chunk) per day. This does not mean "once every twelve hours", or "half at 11:59 PM and
half at 12:01 AM". If you post 10k of your 12k file, you must wait 24 hours before posting the
This also means that if you have two large files - say, one at 12k, and one at 10k - it isn't okay to
post 10k of the first file (leaving 2k for tomorrow) and then promptly post the full second file (since
it's only 10k). 10k per day means 10k per day.
Special addendum: Rules lawyers will be smitten firmly. One person's writing can comprise 10k per day.
Posting a large amount from each of several accounts, or getting a friend to post half of your file,
is still in violation of this rule
(The reason for this is that many people have mailboxes with size quotas -- and if they don't check
them frequently enough, one big file could cause everything else to bounce, which means the List Admin
has to unsubscribe the poor reader! Not to mention deal with the plaintive emails afterwards of "Why
am I unsubscribed?" Putting a large message into several chunks is just as bad -- it's still the same
amount of HUGE FILE into the mailboxes as the first way! But spread out over two or three days (or more,
for some things!), it gives people a chance to check their email.)
If you decide you'd like to put your idea on a website
, two of the most popular
although there are many, many free web-hosters available - sometimes even including your own ISP
(many include web hosting with the account).
Why don't my messages appear on the list?
You're not subscribed to in-nomine-list with the address from which you're trying to post. We did
this to reduce the amount of spam -- only
a subscriber to the list can post. If you have multiple
email accounts, then subscribe the ones that you post from to the list, but turn mail-sending off for
any accounts to which you do not want to receive list posts. See
for more information.
How do I send a private reply to something I saw on the list?
Make certain when you reply that you have done the following things:
- Selected "Reply" instead of "Reply To All".
- Changed the address in the To: field from <in-nomine-list @ sjgames.com> to your intended
recipient's email address.
This cannot be stressed enough. Do not put or leave <in-nomine-list @ sjgames.com>
in the To: or Cc: or Bcc: fields if you intend to send private email.)
If you take these two steps, your email should be private to whomever you've chosen to send it.
What is the Superior Soap Opera?
As related by Elizabeth McCoy:
The Superior Soap Opera happened when I (Elizabeth McCoy) and spouse (Walter Milliken)
started extrapolating on a potential "future history" for a campaign that was in hiatus due to Life.
It... expanded radically. The basic premise includes Self-Redeeming Lilim, Lilith as the "Third Avatar"
(from an obscure prophecy in the Library), and a third celestial realm (newly-created, dubbed Shangri-La)
wherein a Truce between the angelic and demonic citizens is Geas-enforced. If you don't want to swear to
the Rules, then that's fine -- but you don't get to go up there, and you don't get the protections of
the Rules, either.
It is totally, utterly, and without doubt not canon, and unlikely to sneak in more than the
occasional bit of characterization. And probably only as an option or rumor, if that. The wild stuff,
it is kept to the participants. Occasional references are to be taken in the spirit of Gaming War Stories,
as a way of dealing with things, rather than a canonical way. Unless it's a canonical way of
dealing with things that got used in the non-canonical game, if you see the distinction. O:>
If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list -- if you have trouble unsubscribing, or
have questions about the list itself -- send email to <in-nomine-list-owner @ sjgames . com>.